Sat 18 Feb 2006
One of the more effective lines of defense against the Hackett Swiftboating story is that this was something that came up around the time of the special election. Brian Rothenberger, communications director for the Ohio Democratic Party uses this tactic in a phone interview follow up to the Mother Jones article that broke the story:
The rumor about Hackett had been known since last summer, according Brain Rothenberger of the Ohio Democratic Party. “Who knows where it came from?” he said in a phone interview; but he did say it originated in the blogosphere. “I don’t think it had any credibility. The blogs are fueled by rumor. It’s a perpetuated myth.”
Brian, since you know it started in the blogosphere, you can provide people with a link. See… here’s the problem… I’ve been following Paul Hackett and the blogosphere longer and more closely than anyone… hell, for a long while I was the blogosphere when it came to Paul Hackett. I never heard anything about this at all during the special election. Trust me, if I had people would have known about it. (I think the Congresswoman can back me up on that one.)
There’s also a much bigger problem, Brian. People know who was spreading the rumor. People know who was showing the phoney pictures. People who aren’t just any kind of people but leaders within the Ohio Democratic Party. People who in a few months will be choosing your boss. Even if this was a grand Rovian plot to insure Mike DeWine’s seat in the Senate, that doesn’t explain or justify why the Democrat spreading the rumor was doing it.
I would bet good money that you know exactly who it is. If it took me nothing more than a chance meeting in a coffeeshop to get confirmation surely someone so in tune with the goings on of the ODP would have heard about it. If you didn’t, you should do us all a favor and resign now.
My suggesting is that you communicate back to the Ohio Democratic Party leadership that you’ve got yourselves a major problem and that trying to blame the blogosphere just isn’t going to cut it any more. The blogosphere is your friend. The blogosphere is covering your asses right now. We are not a part of the problem, but quite possibly you are.
Kos and Sirota also weighed in:
Markos Moulitsas-Zuniga–the Kos of DailyKos–agreed with Sirota. In an email exchange with MotherJones today, he wrote, “Nobody forced Hackett out. He decided to quit when he apparently realized that running for Senate is hard work.” He wants progressives and Democrats to get some perspective. “There are non-establishment candidates running all around the country…Howard Dean got the full brunt of the establishment’s ire, yet he didn’t take his ball and go home when he lost. There are too many crucial races in the country for people to focus on to worry about the guy who dropped out.”
Actually Markos, that’s exactly what Howard Dean did. He quit. By the time the Ohio primary rolled around my vote for him over John Kerry was nothing but a symbolic gesture. Somebody will have to explain to me the motives behind your questionable actions. I’ve heard the more paranoid explanation, but you’ve always denied it.
Yes, running for Senate is very hard work. It’s a lot harder when members of the leadership lie to you. It’s a lot harder when they actively try to damage your campaign. It’s a HELL of a lot harder when they are told about dirty tricks that have the potential to damage races for Democrats all over the State and do nothing about it.
People have seen the Monkey wrenching letters from Democrats in the House. They’ve talked to the harassed donors. They’ve interviewed the people who heard the lies about war crimes. They’ve named the person directly responsible. How about sticking to subjects that you know something, like sports or how much Bush sucks, instead of messing with things going on here in Ohio?
As for Sirota, he continues to be a load.
…he wrote that the speculation about Brown or even Washington Democrats maliciously undercutting Hackett is “all horse-race crap—and it is sad, sad commentary that such a loud part of the supposedly progressive ‘base’ is so comfortable following cults of personality, and appearing not even interested in the actual issues.” Sirota said it all boiled down to one fact, “Paul Hackett was going to get crushed by Sherrod Brown.”
David… I’m going to enjoy watching you defend your guy from the aftermath of this story when the whole truth comes out. Republicans are already putting the 2nd grade puzzle pieces together. Keep blaming us Hackett cultists for telling the truth. Keep blaming other people for the sins that will soon be costing you so dearly.
BTW, here’s the poll (HT to Plunderbund) that you say was the reason Hackett jumped out of the race:
And that is before seeing him.
I don’t care how good of a “Democrat” any one is. I don’t care how much of a “progressive champion” someone is (whatever the heck that means). Wrong is wrong.
My suggestion for you brainiac pundits is to pick up the phone and tell your pals in Ohio to clean house. I’ll even tell you how to spin this:
There were a few rogue elements blah blah blah… this wasn’t sanctioned by the campaign blah blah blah… it’s unfortunate that some overzealous people stepped over the line and blah blah a hero in such an underhanded blah blah blah… Both Paul Hackett and blah agree blah blah join together blah to defeat Mike DeWine… if they had known blah… we are glad to get this behind us and blah
Trust me, the alternatives are much worst.
(via Buckeye Senate Blog)
UPDATE: De Magno Opere has also chimed in.
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February 18th, 2006 at 9:54 am
Excellent first half of the post re: blaming it on the blogosphere. WAY too easy, whether or not what Rothenberg says is true. Dicey job you got there, Brian. Very dicey. Especially as voters come to expect more transparency and truth because, with the blogosphere, for all the bloggers out there just spewing opinion and rumor, there are others who are building credibility and being tenacious, no matter what anyone says. You think people don’t want to know how sausage is made or what’s in it. But I think that’s wrong. People are strong and while they might not like learning, they do want to know. Desperately. AND, even if they don’t want to know, that’s up for them to decide - re: reading it or not. Their not wanting to know is NO defense against providing the truth. I don’t care what Jack Nicholson says.
February 18th, 2006 at 10:48 am
Now wasnt it last week the ODP was saying they didnt know anything about anything??
Now they’ve known all along?? And it was a blog from last summer?? A “rumor” that no one on the democratic or republican side ever talked about?? HELLOO have you heard of Eric Minnemyer? If this crap would of happened last summer the gates of hell would of opened up and altered this universe and the next.
LOL…this is like that Eddie Murphy routine where the cheating man gets caught red handed and tells the wife who just caught him “Baby, I know it looked like me but it wasnt me”
Cute deflection but not working. I know it hurts when family goes bad fella’s. It’s hard to stand up to family….But it’s time for yall take Uncle Nester to the shed.
February 18th, 2006 at 11:13 am
You know what else is interesting.
Has anyone else noticed how at first the big Brown supporters everywhere were pretty quiet??
Now the moth must be getting too close to the flame bcause Larry, Darryl and Darryl have come out arm in arm singing their siren songs. Whatever you think is happening is not…truth is irrelevant…look over the rainbow…Drink this and close your eyes and let me show you the way to ever lasting life.
February 18th, 2006 at 12:11 pm
A close elderly friend wrote to ODP concerning this matter. I find the response a bit odd.
>Subject: hacket
>
>since you have decided to swiftboat Mr Hacket in his bid for US Senate
>as a
>registered democrat for over 40 years I want you to know that there is
>no
>way I will be voteing the dem ticket you have chosen to go with that
>wimp
>brown .you have given one more vote to the republican canditate
Mike Culp’s response follows:
Thank you for your email, and your passion in this matter.
>
>I wanted to let you know that no one at the Ohio Democratic Party,
>including our chair, had spoken with Paul about this issue prior to his
>decision.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Mike Culp
My elderly friend has voted a straight Dem ticket for 40 years. He is so pissed, I fear he may work himself into a heart attack. I’ve told him there are going to be some good local races where Dems will need his vote but he won’t listen.
Culp’s response is simply “we didn’t talk to Paul prior to his decision”. What the hell is that? I didn’t call the IRS and tell them I was paying my taxes but pay them I did. The Allies didn’t tell Hitler they were going to land on Normandy but that’s where they landed. Just because Cheeney didn’t tell Wittingham he was going to shoot him doesn’t mean he didnt shoot him, and just because the ODP didn’t talk to Paul prior to his decision doesn’t mean thier hands are clean.
February 18th, 2006 at 1:17 pm
Mrs. Editor’s recall of the Minamyer controversy is important.
Minamyer questioned whether Hackett had been in combat, and persisted for a couple days when Paul didn’t respond.
Paul did respond (cleverly, as a campaign tactic) by going to Channel 12 and playing the “how dare he” card, which is fine. All is fair. He turned it to his advantage.
But the point is that the blogs went nuts over the matter. Minamyer’s computer may have nearly melted from the heat. It was controversial.
If ANYONE on any blog, even in the far reaches of Siberia, had associated Hackett with war crimes during the Special Election campaign, as Mrs. E said, “the gates of hell would of opened up and altered this universe and the next.” And there is no way it would have gone unnoticed.
Rothenberger, Kos, and Sirota have to be alienating more Democrats of all persuasions, from the New Dealers all the way to the Code Pinks, with each passing day.
February 18th, 2006 at 1:28 pm
[…] UPDATE 4, Feb. 18 (HT OH02): Mother Jones ran a blog reax piece yesterday that made Kos, supposed whiz David Sirota, the Ohio Democratic Party, and by implication the national Democratic Party look even more dishonest, disingenuous and condescending than they have previously in this matter — a difficult feat indeed. […]
February 18th, 2006 at 1:53 pm
With friends like Kos, who needs enemies? I was reading some stuff over on his site yesterday and I saw his friend Armando mass multi-posting screechy screeds about Tim Russo. If he wants to be taken seriously, he needs to put a lid on stuff like that. This campaign is so totally not about Tim Russo, and ad hominem attacks on a person who doesn’t see things your way is not going to make a persuasive argument to others to come over to your way of thinking. It’s likely to put them off and have the reverse effect. It’s hard to take DailyKos seriously after something like that, especially since he featured this attack on his front page as if it were some kind of serious argument for supporting Brown. What it really does is make the thought of getting involved in this particular campaign or expressing an opinion of any kind way too scary for non-Republicans.
February 18th, 2006 at 2:37 pm
Anastasiap all that is just another way of trying to deflect and a sign of true desperation.
The point is Uncle Nester is harming the children again. It doesnt matter how bad the children are or have been. Uncle Nester’s behavior is reprehensible and must be dealt with by the family and the authorites for the saftey of the family at large. In true Soprano style. Handle your business.
February 18th, 2006 at 2:38 pm
Regarding Kos, if anyone hasn’t seen the “Somebody get me the irony chainsaw” diary, I thought it was quite good.
http://www.myleftwing.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=6029
I’m writing in Hackett, by the way. I don’t “unite behind the candidate” until there’s been a primary.
http://howardempowered.blogspot.com/
February 18th, 2006 at 3:36 pm
Pounder names Dan Lucas in the smear campaign:
also:
and:
Pounders comments are on DKos:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/18/114016/315
February 18th, 2006 at 4:14 pm
Did I forget to post the link? Pounder’s comments can be found here:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/18/114016/315#150